Monday, June 13, 2005

Australian newspaper

There should be an article about the challenge in Tuesday's Australian so make sure you read it at the newsagency and then buy it if it doesn't contain the terms, pow, bam or zap.

17 comments:

douglasbot said...

Not too bad.

My only criticism would be it's a shame they didn't mention more Australian creators.

But no pow zap. And no real "Oh how quaint". Just a bit of non supers related comics action from the last 20 years, and a good quote from you.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15602649%255E16947,00.html

The other good thing to note is that this story and the one that i was involved in...were given prominent headline space and not just throw away fluff stories (Even if Spiderman DOES make me want to draw). So some good exposure. If this keeps up we might JUST start getting somewhere with the general population ay what?
Good job mate.

killeroo said...

probably worth adding a section to the 24hr site called "press" where you can collect articles like this and their sources. They probably won't be linkable indefinitely.

Mark Selan said...

I think one of my quotes was taken out of contents - i was referring to how retailers viewed local stuff but a really good peice.

Apparently, it ran overlong and interviews with Patrick Alexander and Grug were cut. Which is a shame, as it would have given the article more of a local flavour instead about being about 'a look comics are culture too' article.

Anonymous said...

"My only criticism would be it's a shame they didn't mention more Australian creators."

Way more got mentioned than the none except Doug in The Age 24 Hour Comics article!

But I'm assuming you mean they didn't mention you in this article. An oversight to be sure, but a far more balanced article than the other one.

Mark Selan said...

"My only criticism would be it's a shame they didn't mention more Australian creators."

Way more got mentioned than the none except Doug in The Age 24 Hour Comics article!


Not so much.
Its a shame because when i spoke to the journalist from the Australian, i did mention a load of local creators and spoke a lot about the challenge. The whole comics literature we discussed as a perifery issue. When it was published it, the emphasis changed. When I briefly spoke to the Age, i wasn't really given the opportunity to talk about Australian comics as a whole. The emphasis of that article was 'Melbourne artist entering competition'.

But I'm assuming you mean they didn't mention you in this article. I do get mentioned in the last 2 or 3 paragraphs - there are quotes from me. So i'm not sure what your issue is.

Don't get me wrong - I think as an article about comics as emerging literatre or medium, its probably the best that's been produced in this country ever. As an article about the 24 hour challenge and the work of australian creators it kind of fails.

Mark Selan said...

sorry i'm stupid, i thought you refering to saomething i said but you are trying to pick a fight with doug. sorry

carry on

Anonymous said...

Not pick a fight, just make an observation. I thought Doug's comment about no artists being mentioned was plain wrong, particularly considering the other article that mentioned only Doug (and appeared to be about the 24 Hour Comic Event).

I think one quote they chose from you (about Australian comics historically) was unfortunate in isolation, but I figured it was either misquoted or taken out of context as is often the case with newspaper pieces

douglasbot said...

"Way more got mentioned than the none except Doug in The Age 24 Hour Comics article!"

Well considering the article was supposed to be about Melbourne artists in the 24hr comp whats your point? From memory Avi (Oztaku) and Dave Blumenstien's contact details were given to the paper by Mark too. Wether they interviewed them or not i don't know but it's not really up to me who or what the Age decides to interview or print is it?
I was asked about my history, the work i had done previously and my involvement in the 24hr comp previously. If the reporter had asked me questions about the local scene i would have answered them.
But he didn't.
You've taught me a great lesson though. When asked by local newspaper journos about what you do for a living and the comics you've worked on...don't answer the question...just make sure you rattle off the names of everyone everywhere in Australian comics history so as not to get retard anonymous commentor #456's anonymous fucking panties in a bunch. Thanks your a pal!

"But I'm assuming you mean they didn't mention you in this article. An oversight to be sure..."

Close anonymate...very close. But no. As Mark said this article was supposed to pimp the 24hr comp and local creators as a whole. NOT specifically "Melbourne artist entering comp" (If you recall my previous paragraph) and NOT "comics emerging as a serious literary medium around the world and as an afterthought...oh Australia too."

Okay? Got that? NO?...Should i spell it out?
What i was referring to was it's a shame that there was an opportunity to pimp australian talent as a whole (Not specifically remember) as per the original intent of the article....but the focus of the article changed.
Sure three names were mentioned in passing(three names i might add that DIDN'T take part in the 24hr competition. Did you?). Three very deserving names were mentioned in passing yes but it's a shame more weren't.

"but a far more balanced article than the other one."

Yeah...i'll just say it again so it sinks in: Next time someone asks you about what you do Douglas...rattle off the names of everyone involved in Australian comics ever!! Cause it's not fair and balanced!!
You might want to forward your thoughts onto Ben Hutchings too. He actually got asked about OTHER Australian books and creators and came up a blank.
TO THE ANONYMATE CAVE!!

Pull your head out of your arse and grow a spine you fucktard.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah...i'll just say it again so it sinks in: Next time someone asks you about what you do Douglas...rattle off the names of everyone involved in Australian comics ever!! Cause it's not fair and balanced!!"

So you admit you didn't mention anyone at all in the interview? Were you aware that one of the purposes was to promote the 24 Hour Comics event?

To say that it's a pity the other article didn't mention anyone, when you had the opportunity to and didn't, is disingenous to say the least.

The real question is: are you for promoting Australian comics or only yourself? I don't deny you'll make it, but you're likely to be an isolated case.

douglasbot said...

"So you admit you didn't mention anyone at all in the interview?"

Holy detective skills Anonymate...isn't that exactly what i said...um...here?! - "...If the reporter had asked me questions about the local scene i would have answered them.
But he didn't."

"Were you aware that one of the purposes was to promote the 24 Hour Comics event?"

*sigh* I've just worked out why you're always anonymous. It's so nobody knows the real you is a patronising dick.
How about READING what i said instead of trying to be smarter than you are, hmm?.
Should i say it again? Okay. Slower this time so you can keep up. The article...that i was involved in with supposedly two other creators...was "...about Melbourne artists in the 24hr comp." And considering the reporter asked me about the 24hr comp and all the details that go along with it including *GASP*...my experience with it and considering i answered those questions about the 24hr comp, I think i was aware that it was about the 24hr comp. Notice how i'm making you feel at home by being a patrionising dick?
(And to clarify AGAIN because i know you have trouble doing this...i have no idea if the other two were or weren't interviewed. If they were included it would have been a much more rounded story...but through one reason or another the paper obviously decided against including them. Ring up the paper to ask why if it's that important to you.)

"To say that it's a pity the other article didn't mention anyone, when you had the opportunity to and didn't, is disingenous to say the least."

Right...you really don't read do you?
Shall i repeat again...or shall i just point you to the two instances above where i say i wasn't ASKED about the local scene...hence the not talking about it? I talked quite freely about the other creators involved in the 24hr comp including past winners, the boost to community feeling and general creative buzz. But When Mark said..."Hey Doug are you interested in being interviewed by the Age for the 24hr hour comp about local Melbourne artists doing the 24hr comp?" I didn't realise i was supposed to be the spokesperson for the entire scene and take the reporter on a blow by blow creator by creator history. You know...considering he only wanted a blow by blow history of the 24hr comp and how i was involved.

Disingenous? Right. Please go above a couple of comments and READ because i'm kinda getting sick or repeating myself here.
But because i'm a patrionising dick here we go -
One article focussed on three creators and their involvement in the 24hr comp. It changed emphasis through one reason or another and focussed on me and the 24hr comp. Misquotes and all. (HEY...just like Mark's article...weird how it's alright for some but not the other.)

The other focussed on the 24hr comp local scene and emerging independent comics on a global scale. It changed emphasis and became about emerging independant comics on a global scale and as an afterthough a couple of Australians (NOT EVEN INVOLVED IN THE COMP) and the 24hr comp. And look...it even had interviews that were cut. WOW!! Papers DO THAT?!?!?

So my saying it's dissapointing that 12 paragraphs got devoted to redundant material and 4 to the important stuff is disingenuous. Right. Think about that before saying anything else.

"The real question is: are you for promoting Australian comics or only yourself?"

Is that the real question? I don't know...i think the real question is what the fucks your problem and why do you feel the need to anonymously call me out every now and then. But thats me.
But to answer your "REAL" question because i'm good like that and don't feel the need to hide behind the internet...of course i'm all about promoting myself. It's part of my job to promote myself because thats how i fucking pay my rent and put food on my table. When i was interviewed by the paper it was a bonus to do both. Plus the fact that i'm not afraid to let people know i'm Australian. And I attempt to consistently produce the best comics i can to as much of a global audience as i can speaks volumes of my fucking support for Australian comics. Don't you think?

Whats funny? The only significant response i have gotten so far from the newspaper article? A 5 minute live spot with Mark on local radio AFTER the 24hr comp...to talk about the 24hr comp, my mother buying 5 copies of the newspaper and you being a dick because you've got some bug up your arse about me in the paper.
Still no big paying jobs though. Dammit...my disingenuous evil self promotion has BACKFIRED!!

"I don't deny you'll make it, but you're likely to be an isolated case."

Er...right...thanks. Who's promoting the local scene again?!

Mark Selan said...

couple points on what's doug said

- When the Age journalist asked for someone to talk to in Melbourne I was stumped. I wanted someone who had 'product' and who had done the challenge before and had signed up already. Doug fit the bill. Because it was on short notice and doug was easily contactable he was the only one i asked. I did have a back up if Doug wasn't able to do anything. i have no problem with Doug pushing his stuff - people with something to push are more likely to throw their hand up and help out (you wouldn't believe how many people didn't want to be interviewed).

Secondly for the Australian article i name dropped everyone. Including the artists who happily donated prizes for this challenge and previous challenges. Gary Chanloner donated a signed Eisner book and some DC art this year. Yardin and Naylor donated books and art last year.

also the nature of these articles is completely out of everyone's hands, even the journalists it would seem. When Brad Pitt does an interview he doesn't talk about Tom Cruise's movie, unless he is specifically asked. no one complains.

it shouldn't be the job of the few to talk about the many, sure its nice when the love is spread around but hand holding can only go so far

douglasbot said...

"When Brad Pitt does an interview he doesn't talk about Tom Cruise's movie, unless he is specifically asked. no one complains.

It shouldn't be the job of the few to talk about the many, sure its nice when the love is spread around but hand holding can only go so far"

And in two paragraphs you have summed up EXACTLY my point. THANKYOU.

Some righted wrongs -
My mistake on referring to asking Avi and Dave etc...i assumed they were also being interviewed. Not back-ups.

And fair enough then that Gary, Dillon and David get a mention considering the prize involvement. Though my point was referring more to actual participation of a 24hr peice over the last 4 years.

Hugs all round.
And sign your name, Anonymous. Seriously it's fucking tired and dumb. Anything remotely sensible you might have had to say hiding behind the anonymity of the internet is immediately made redundant because you obviously don't have the cajones to put your face to it.
We're all big kids. If you have something to say but you can't put your name to it, then whats the point in saying it?!

The Frase said...

I guess there is a fine line in some peoples eyes between Media Darling and Media Whore.

I wish I had an an Anonymous Hater.
They're funny!!

killeroo said...

you can have one of mine if you like Scott, I've got plenty to spare!

The Frase said...

Heheheheh!
Yeah, send them over!

G said...

To be fair to both Mark and Doug regarding the Age article, I know my contact details were given out to the journalist also.

Graeme (24 Hr PR guru) had asked for my contact details and I think Mark cc my hotmail to the Age writer as well. But I was never contacted.

And I don't think it was Doug's responsibility to mention other fellow Aussie comickers or 24 Hr participants unless he was asked.

Mark Selan said...

I have the memory of a sieve, i know that you were going to be my back-up Gary but couldn't remember if you had been contacted. Mystery solved.